I went to the Radio NZ debate on the economy on Sunday. It was a lot of fun. I thought the eight speakers did a very good job at presenting their different parties positions on a range of issues. I think we should be very grateful that we have a democracy where eight parties can have a 1 1/2 hour policy focused debate on important issues.
I did feel kind of sorry for Roger Douglas. While many of us can disagree with him, at least once upon a time he could string a sentence and argument together for the liberal right. Most of the debate people were laughing at him. I think ACT should have left him in retirement.
Some of the highlights for me are below.
The first round of applause of the debate went to Jim Anderton in response to this:
The thing that most concerns me is people who need the most help in difficult financial times are the poor and most vulnerable. They're the ones who get the least help out of tax cuts actually. And no'one around this table should be getting tax cuts. We should actually be giving all the help we can do to supporting families on low incomes. We still have 13% of children in NZ who live in poverty. We've been successful in lifting a lot out of poverty but when we've got that level of poverty the last thing we should be doing is giving tax cuts to the richest NZers and taking money off the poorest.
And anther loud round of applause for Michael Cullen on National's tax and consume policy:
The National Party has come clean on its tax cuts because its promising to pay for them by savaging Kiwisaver and removing the research and development tax incentive. So in a situation where the world is saying to us do not become heavily indebted nations (and Mr Key is no longer saying we don't have a debt problem, he's finally found out NZ does have a debt problem) in a time when we're really having to say to ourselves its time to start saving more and investing more and less emphasis upon consumption - we have a tax proposal from National which says consume more, don't save and don't invest in innovation. That is a dumb plodding old fashioned approach.
There was also this interesting interchange between English and Cullen:
English: The issue with Kiwisaver is this - only a quarter of the working age population are in it. And you ask yourself why are the other 3/4 not in it when it offers such a 200% plus return on capital.
Cullen: After only 18 months over 800,000 people are in the scheme. This is the most successful private savings scheme in NZs history.
Jeanette: We don't think it makes sense to cut Kiwisaver to fund tax cuts. We know what people have done in the past with tax cuts. They've not gone into savings. They've gone into consumption and that's what we don't need at the moment.
And two comments from Michael Cullen got huge rounds or applause:
Do we want to be a smart economy or do we want to be a dumb economy with a low tax rate?
Roger, my good friend here, I've got to say. Roger's great at destroying things that need destroying, but he's never been any good at building things that need building.
Cullen also made English look a little foolish when in response to English claiming businesses were rorting the R&D tax credits:
This came into force 1 April. Nobody has actually yet applied for the R&D tax credit and got an aye or a nay. So to say there's rorts going on is a remarkable achievement. It reminds me of that sort of polishing your shoes and what it might lead to in terms of sex somewhere down the track. It's that kind of argument.
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